fcotte davydde hammehacque, esq. ([info]czircon) wrote,

Hot Coffee, Mississippi

Hillary Clinton can ram it. She's all upset because some guys figured how to modify Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas to allow you to play a minigame where you have sex. Think of the children! The children who, according to the ESRB ratings, shouldn't be playing the game in the first place, since it's already rated "M". Regardless, she wants the game's rating changed to "AO" due to the "sexually explicit content" (seeing two fully clothed, low resolution polygonal figures bumping and grinding is hot stuff, let me tell you). Never mind that the minigame is completely inaccessible in the game as purchased from the store, and that the only way you can get to it is because some enterprising persons who had nothing to do with the production of the game found some abandoned code lying around and poked around to find a way to add it in. By this logic, The Sims should be for adults only because it's possible to download nude skins for them. By this logic, any game where the user can customize anything should be for adults only because someone might draw boobs on the side of their race car or something. Oh, and then she wants to make a law prohibiting selling violent or sexy video games to minors, i.e. completely defeating the purpose of the voluntary ratings system.

I don't have any statistics, but I'd guess that the majority of eight-year-olds playing GTA didn't walk into Gamestop and buy it themselves with their hard-earned cash from selling lemonade. Either a parent bought it for them, they pirated it, or they're playing someone else's copy. In any of those cases, the proposed law would change nothing. Ignoring everything else, if everyone actually followed the game ratings crap, it would mean that kids would miss out on almost all the good games. If not for Nintendo, there would be practically nothing worth playing that wasn't at least rated "T".

Anyway, violent/sexy video games never did anyone any harm, but if you really don't want your kid playing 'em, that's your problem, not the game manufacturers or distributors'. This pandering to the "concerned mother but not concerned enough to actually take any notice of what my kid's doing" crowd sickens me. So ram it.
Tags: bitching, bite me, politics, video games

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[info]teferi

July 15 2005, 13:11:36 UTC 6 years ago

it is just pandering, too. I bet $5 that her proposed bill never actually sees paper, let alone the Senate floor.

[info]czircon

July 15 2005, 13:13:56 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah, I can't decide whether the fact that she probably has no intention of actually trying to make it happen makes it less or more offensive to me.

[info]loxly

July 15 2005, 20:32:14 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah, Michigan Gov. already did it for his state and the Federal courts told him to go to hell(WA and IL have already done this as well). Someone in congress will attach it as a rider to something and it will be overlooked and passed but then game makers from all corners will challenge it and it will be overturned. *shrug* but yes Hillary should ram it.

[info]zztzed

July 15 2005, 13:41:08 UTC 6 years ago

[info]czircon

July 15 2005, 13:45:34 UTC 6 years ago

[info]eldereft

August 7 2005, 01:22:43 UTC 6 years ago

... that picture looks disturbingly like me. Obviously, someone has been messing with my DNA in naughty ways they oughtn't. Expect to hear from my copyright lawyers forthwith.

[info]czircon

August 7 2005, 01:30:46 UTC 6 years ago

You're a large white hand in a green sleeve?

[info]novimber

July 15 2005, 18:18:52 UTC 6 years ago

i didn't think minors could buy rated M games as it is... I had to buy one for my teenage cousin recently cause he's not 18 yet.

[info]loxly

July 15 2005, 20:33:50 UTC 6 years ago

To my knowledge only chain stores like walmart card. They can still get whatever they want off the internet EB and Gamestop-like places.

[info]loxly

July 15 2005, 20:35:05 UTC 6 years ago

To clarify: not 10year olds, people passing for mid to upper 'teenage' aren't questioned though.

[info]novimber

July 16 2005, 01:56:59 UTC 6 years ago

it was at EB or Gamestop, I forgot which.

[info]monthigos

July 15 2005, 18:52:54 UTC 6 years ago

AO? What the hell is M for then?

[info]loserface

July 15 2005, 21:07:11 UTC 6 years ago

My parents think I'm mature enough to see sprites gettin' it on.

It sort of parallels R and NC-17--the difference being that (for less-than-17-year-olds) R requires you to have parental supervision, but NC-17 is off-limits regardless of what your parents think.

So--theoretically--a 16yo can play a game rated M if his parents think he's mature, but AO are for adults only.

Not that any of that matters in the real world.

[info]haradachi

July 15 2005, 21:25:21 UTC 6 years ago

Well put!

[info]gretzilla

July 17 2005, 01:48:52 UTC 6 years ago

"concerned mother but not concerned enough to actually take any notice of what my kid's doing" is exactly it. The same holds true for not only movies and video games, but books as well. We don't need better ratings or better control--we need better parents.

[info]loserface

July 17 2005, 21:59:02 UTC 6 years ago

This is completely ridiculous.

Miners are too busy digging stuff up to want to play violent or sexy video games.

[info]thedexter

July 20 2005, 23:56:46 UTC 6 years ago

Regardless, she wants the game's rating changed to "AO" due to the "sexually explicit content" (seeing two fully clothed, low resolution polygonal figures bumping and grinding is hot stuff, let me tell you).

Sexually explicit doesn't have anything to do with hotness or nudity. There's nudity in classical art and in Schindler's List but it isn't sexually explicit, and there's sexual explicitness without nudity (say, if the two characters were both clothed but engaging in sexual conduct). I mean... it's silly stuff, you're right, but that particular bit is kind of a straw man.

[info]shadegarden

July 29 2005, 11:36:13 UTC 6 years ago

Hah this kid I knew was working selling video games, and this middle aged lady comes in looking for a game for her son who's about 11-ish. She picks up GTA non-andreas and says its what her son's been asking for, and she asks if there's any sex in it. He says no, but that it's very violent. How violent, she asks? He says, well, you basically steal cars and kill hookers and go on shooting rampages driving over people and whatnot. She asks if the hookers are naked; he says no. So there's no sex, she asks? No, just a lot of crimes and violence and killing, he says. Okay, and she buys it. What a world.
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